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#1  八十一子:她是神的光辉——伊斯兰诗人鲁米的歌

她是神的光辉——伊斯兰诗人鲁米的歌

八十一子

伊斯兰苏菲派诗人鲁米(Rumi, 1207-1273)出生于八百年前的阿富汗地方。这个星期日是他的生日。这么多年来,他的诗歌一直在全世界传唱。同在世间传唱的几乎所有的诗歌一样,女子,爱,哲理是鲁米诗歌的主题。

有一首叫做“此时此地“ (The Here and Now by Christopher Theofanidis) 的管弦乐加合唱团的曲子是根据鲁米的诗歌改编的。其中一段唱道:

"世间有三种女子
两种是愁与苦,一种是灵魂之宝藏
第一种,你要是娶了她,她就全部属于你
第二种有一半是你的,而第三种
压根就不属于你"

如果鲁米说得对,想要有一位具有“灵魂之宝藏“的妻子看来实在是很难的事了,即便你时来运转,碰到了这么一位,还要她肯下嫁于你。又是一种千古恨。

不仅仅古典音乐家,流行歌手也喜欢鲁米。玛当娜在她的"又苦又甜"里唱着鲁米的诗句:

"哦,好甜蜜的苦汁
我会替你疗伤
我会带给你玫瑰
我身上也曾经扎满了棘刺"

鲁米的长诗Mathnavi(有节奏的双行:灵魂的意义)是他最重要的作品。这里是其中的一节(第2429-2437行):她是神的光辉。

"水能浇灭了火,
火不是也能煮开水么?

一口锅隔开了水和火,
水便蒸腾了,水汽升起来了。

欺压女子的人就像那灭了火的水,
他渴望女人的欲望将永远焦渴。

人啊,不是只有你才懂得爱么?
不正是爱让你胜过那些野兽么?

先知说,被女人支配的男人
他们是聪明、睿智的男人。

而愚昧的男人却总想制服女人,
一味的粗暴与凶恶。

懂得爱和关怀的是人,
满是怒气和淫欲的只是兽。

被兽性支配着的人啊,
你哪里知道什么是温馨,轻柔。

她岂止是你的爱——她是神的光辉。
你可以说,她没有被创造——她就是创造者。"

有学者说,鲁米的诗歌唱的不是尘世的爱情,是对上帝的爱。鲁米是伊斯兰教苏非派的领袖之一。苏非派神秘主义的核心信仰是智慧。他们修行的目的是追求灵魂与创世主的直接交流。这在某种程度上有些像中国儒家讲的天人合一。以区区尘世之心要与上帝沟通,困难重重不难想像。因此,苏非派穆斯林对开发自己的智力非常重视。他们竭尽全力研究科学和艺术,以期获得智慧。智慧在希腊语里是"Sophia", 索菲娅。这也可能是苏非派的名字来源。索菲亚就是神秘主义者朝思暮想的“她“。他们对上帝的感悟都像是一封封情书。

实际上,"索菲娅"对于任何一个宗教的神秘主义教派都很重要。这些教派的代表人物也往往富于智慧,情感丰富。藏传佛教就充满神秘主义色彩,也出了一个情种达赖仓央嘉措。但是,对诗歌的体会和理解是每人自己个人的事,不是么?何况,鲁米的诗歌超越了宗教壁垒。他去世时,伊斯兰教和基督教、犹太教的人们都从各地赶去参加他的葬礼。

国内称鲁米为“波斯诗人“,不是太对,容易引起误会。现代伊朗人又被称为波斯人,但鲁米跟伊朗没有太大关系。他出生的地方通称为塔吉克(Tajik),包括今天的阿富汗、塔吉克斯坦、乌兹别克斯坦、巴基斯坦,和中国新疆。元朝蒙古人侵入中亚时,他的父亲举家迁到土耳其。鲁米在土耳其度过一生的多半时光。他用母语和阿拉伯语创作。他的母语是波斯语的一个分支,他的诗歌因此流行在波斯语国家,包括伊朗。

鲁米因此其实应该被称为“塔吉克诗人“。但是,对很多人而言,塔吉克在哪里?那是有文化的地方么?



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2007-10-4 09:10
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thesunlover

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老八好!

古波斯诗歌很发达的,但中国读者读得少。前两年在咖啡曼陀罗好象介绍过。



因为我和黑夜结下了不解之缘 所以我爱太阳
2007-10-4 09:51
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weili

#3  

Rumi's poems

The Universe

What if someone said to an embryo in the womb,
“Outside of your world of black nothing
is a miraculously ordered universe;
a vast Earth covered with tasty food;
mountains, oceans and plains,
fragrant orchards and fields full of crops;
a luminous sky beyond your reach,
with a sun, moonbeams, and uncountable stars;
and there are winds from south, north and west,
and gardens replete with sweet flowers
like a banquet at a wedding feast.

The wonders of this world are beyond description.
What are you doing living in a dark prison,
Drinking blood through that narrow tube?”
But the womb- world is all an embryo knows
And it would not be particularly impressed
By such amazing tales, saying dismissively:
“You’re crazy. That is all a deluded fantasy.”


One day you will look back and laugh at yourself.
You’ll say, “ I can’t believe I was so asleep!
How did I ever forget the truth?
How ridiculous to believe that sadness and sickness
Are anything other than bad dreams.”


---------

I am so small I can barely be seen,
How can this great love be inside me?

Look at your eyes, they are small,
But they see enormous things.


-----------

No better love than love with no object,
No more satisfying work than work with no purpose.

If you could give up tricks and cleverness,
That would be the cleverest trick!

---------------------------


In your light I learn how to love.
In your beauty, how to make poems.
You dance inside my chest,
where no one sees you,
but sometimes I do,
and that sight becomes this art.

==================

晨思介绍给我们的。


2007-10-4 09:57
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八十一子

#4  

爱阳、为力好。亚洲的诗人里,鲁米在民间的影响,目前应该大过泰戈尔。


2007-10-4 12:08
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金凤

#5  

"世间有三种女子
“两种是愁与苦,一种是灵魂之宝藏
第一种,你要是娶了她,她就全部属于你
第二种有一半是你的,而第三种
压根就不属于你"

看到这句,想起谁说过这样的话:“你爱的人,TA不爱你;爱你的人,你不爱TA;两人互相爱着,可是又终究要分离。”

幸亏还有另一种,既相爱又能长久,不然这人生也太悲哀了。。。。。。

老八好!欢迎多上贴子多写文 :) :)


2007-10-4 12:43
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weili

#6  

地球不再是圆的了,现在各族人民在一个平面上交流、竞争、生存......
文化的融合,需要许多的时间,但诗歌是共通的,这是艺术的力量。


2007-10-4 14:25
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weili

#7  

先知说,被女人支配的男人
他们是聪明、睿智的男人。

而愚昧的男人却总想制服女人,
一味的粗暴与凶恶。

被兽性支配着的人啊,
你哪里知道什么是温馨,轻柔。

懂得爱和关怀的是人,
满是怒气和淫欲的只是兽。

=======================

多好多好!女人万岁。:))


2007-10-4 20:03
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weili

#8  

有时感觉诗人(真正的诗人),就是先知。


2007-10-5 11:45
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三川

#9  

八爷知道这边爷们儿多,贴上一篇,给爷们儿们开讲:
与什么样的绿营交往,才能成为一个有成就的蓝营。

任性的绿营
使您成为关注的文学家
智慧的绿营
使您成为千古的王中之王
蓝同志们
拭目追求吧!!!


2007-10-5 13:12
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八十一子

#10  



引用:
Originally posted by 三川 at 2007-10-5 01:12 PM:
八爷知道这边爷们儿多,贴上一篇,给爷们儿们开讲:
与什么样的绿营交往,才能成为一个有成就的蓝营。

任性的绿营
使您成为关注的文学家
智慧的绿营
使您成为千古的王中之王
蓝同志们
拭目追求吧!!!

加入某个神秘主义宗教?

说说鲁米吧。鲁米是伊斯兰教苏非派的掌门人之一。苏非派神秘主义的核心信仰是智慧。他们修行的目的是"turning the heart away from everything but God",追求灵魂与创世主的直接交流。

以区区尘世之人要与上帝沟通,难度不难想像。因此,苏非派穆斯林对开发自己的智力非常重视。他们竭尽全力研究科学和艺术,以期获得智慧。

智慧在希腊语里是"Sophia", 索菲娅。这也可能是苏非这个名字的来源。索菲亚就是神秘主义者朝思暮想的“她“。

实际上,Sophia 在任何一个宗教的神秘主义教派里都很重要。这些教派的代表人物也往往富于智慧,情感丰富。



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2007-10-5 13:52
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晨思

#11  

这几个月我对rumi很着迷, more about him...


Jalalud'din Rumi
Jalalud'din Rumi is one of the world’s most revered mystical poets.  During his lifetime he produced a prolific range of inspiring and devotional poetry which encapsulates the sufi's experience of  union with the divine.  These timeless classics have enjoyed a renaissance in recent years, as Rumi has become one of our most popular poets. Although Rumi was a Sufi and a great scholar of the Qu’ran his appeal reaches across religious and social divisions. Even during his lifetime he was noted for his cosmopolitan outlook.  His funeral, which lasted 40 days, was attended by Muslims, Jews, Persians, Christians and Greeks.
                Rumi was born in 1207 on the Eastern shores of the Persian Empire. He was born in the city of Balkh( in what is now Afghanistan), and finally settled in the town of Konya, in what is now Turkey. It was a period of remarkable social and political turbulence. The 13th Century was the era of the crusades;  also the area where Rumi lived was under constant threat of Mongol invasion. The great upheavals Rumi faced during his life is said to have influenced much of his poetry.  
               Rumi met many of the great Sufi poets. For example, as a young boy he met the Sufi Master, Attar.  Attar is said to have commented about Rumi.
"There goes a river dragging an ocean behind it."
However the most important turning point in Rumi’s life was when he met the wandering dervish Shams al- Din. Shams was eccentric and unorthodox, but was filled with heart - felt devotion, that sometimes he couldn’t contain. Shams appeared to be quite different to the respectable and prestigious scholar, (as Rumi was at that point.)  However Rumi saw in Shams a divine presence. This meeting and their close mystical relationship was instrumental in awakening Rumi’s latent spirituality and intense devotion. It was at this point Rumi abandoned his academic career and began to write his mystical poetry.
Rumi’s poetry is wide ranging and encompasses many different ideas but behind all the poetry the essential theme was the longing and searching for the union with the divine. Rumi was himself a great mystic. His outpourings of poetry were a reflection of his own inner consciousness. Ironically Rumi said that no words could adequately explain the experience of mystical union. Yet his words are inspiring signposts which point towards the divine.   
In his poetry Rumi frequently uses imagery which may be unexpected. For example although Islam forbids alcohol, he often describes the sensation of being “drunk  and intoxicated with ecstasy for his beloved." Here drunk implies the bliss of the divine consciousness. Love is a frequent subject of Rumi's poems, descriptions of seeming romantic love is an illusion to the all encompassing pure, divine love.  Metaphors such as this are common to other Sufi poets such as Omar Khayyam, Hafiz, and Attar.
Rumi's poetry is so widely appreciated because it has the capacity to uplift our own consciouness. Reading the words of Rumi can awaken in ourselves,  our own spiritual self.



On Rumi by Hazrat Inayat Khan
"The original words of Rumi are so deep, so perfect, so touching, that when one man repeats them hundreds and thousands of people are moved to tears. They cannot help penetrating the heart. This shows how much Rumi himself was moved to have been able to pour out such living words.


2007-10-5 14:17
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weili

#12  



引用:
Originally posted by 八十一子 at 2007-10-5 02:52 PM:
加入某个神秘主义宗教?

说说鲁米吧。鲁米是伊斯兰教苏非派的掌门人之一。苏非派神秘主义的核心信仰是智慧。他们修行的目的是"turning the heart away from everything but God",追求灵魂与创..

崇拜神灵(或者说惧怕神灵),好像是人的本能。但目前看来,原旨宗教的道路怎么走,都是行不通的。
认识神,比认识人本身难多了,人类惨啊!



因为无能为力,所以尽力而为。
2007-10-5 15:54
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八十一子

#13  



引用:
Originally posted by weili at 2007-10-5 03:54 PM:
认识神,比认识人本身难多了,人类惨啊!

是么?慢慢来吧。
楼上修改了一下,方便读者。



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2007-10-5 19:05
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八十一子

#14  

这里诗人多。贴几首鲁米的情诗。

第 1 幅
鲁米的四行诗



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2007-10-9 13:49
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weili

#15  

刺探到八兄的用心良苦了:以微薄之力,弘扬女士第一、世界大同。


2007-10-9 19:55
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八十一子

#16  



引用:
Originally posted by weili at 2007-10-9 07:55 PM:
刺探到八兄的用心良苦了:以微薄之力,弘扬女士第一、世界大同。

是。世界大同,女性为尊。



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2007-10-11 10:34
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weili

#17  

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