最近聽說出版了一本有關周恩來晚年的書。我沒有看過。我太太一般不讓我買書﹐只
能借﹐說是要繼續保持發揚艱苦奮鬥﹐勤儉治家的優良革命傳統。不過這本書雖然
沒有讀過﹐可周恩來晚年這段時期﹐是我親身經歷過來的。我雖不知道上層政治鬥
爭的內幕﹐但我知道一個政府頭頭是怎麼對待老百姓的﹐因為這是不保密的﹐也不
可能保密。老百姓只關心自身的境遇﹐從不在乎屋頂上狗兒打架之事﹐除非狗兒打
架影響到自身的安危。周恩來在晚年究竟對老百姓做過什麼好事﹖這應該是有目共
睹的。胡耀邦還促成過對右派分子這一全國性大冤案的平反﹐還為老百姓做過這麼
點好事。相比之下﹐周恩來還不如胡耀邦。老百姓評價政治人物就是這麼簡單。你
為百姓做過好事﹐你就是正面人物﹐否則﹐你只能成為百姓心目中的反面人物。對
反面人物總是加以否定的﹐不管他是誰﹐不管他是皇帝﹑總統﹑主席﹑總理﹑部長﹐
還是什麼其他有頭有臉的大人物。

歷史的記載總以公開的活動和言行為准。私底下的情況誰能證明是確定無疑的。甚
至寫回憶錄也可能裡面大有水份。讀者也無法證實。所以周恩來給百姓的印象是對
毛澤東俯首貼耳地順從。如果他能對毛的倒行逆施加以反對的話﹐中國的歷史可能
會有一點兩樣﹐文革可能就不會發生。彭德懷敢於不顧烏紗帽﹐而上萬言書﹐為民
請命。周恩來連這點膽量也沒有。不要強辯說﹐他是為了顧全大局﹐因為在他顧全
下的大局卻每況愈下。按理說﹐為了中國的前途﹐他應該與主張發展經濟建設的劉
少奇站在一邊﹐反對毛澤東不斷帶來的政治災害。結果劉少奇被打倒了﹐中國的經
濟一落千丈。這就是“賢相”的作為嗎﹖說他為了保持自己的烏紗帽而處處向毛妥
協﹐是一點也不過份。文革後期﹐百姓完全能感到毛周關係起了微妙的變化。當時
百姓能感到明顯的跡象﹐毛要把權力移交給所謂的“四人幫”。林彪被毛周聯合搞
下去後﹐周恩來就成了“四人幫”上台的又一個障礙﹐所以矛頭就直接指向了“大
儒”。如果他對毛的態度到晚年有了變化﹐這是跟他本人的利益有關﹐跟他手下一
伙人的利益有關﹐跟百姓的利益毫無關係。

外國諺語說﹕“兩害相權取其輕。”因為毛一直搞運動﹐弄得天怨人怒﹐而“四人
幫”更不是好東西﹐且當時百姓沒有第三種選擇﹐所以在毛周之間﹐傾向於周。如
果當時美帝國主義能夠像打小獨裁者薩達姆一樣﹐揮師進入中國﹐民間必定簞食壺
漿以迎。如果你當時是百姓的一員﹐你一定會有這種感覺。當毛死的一刻﹐多少人
扳著臉低著頭站在他像前默哀﹐卻是心花怒放﹐祈求他的死會給中國帶來新的希望。
所以當時百姓挺周是默默表達了反對毛及其“四人幫”的態度﹐而並不因為周恩來
帶給百姓多少好處而“愛戴”他。終其一生﹐周都在執行毛的給國家人民帶來災難
的錯誤路線。所以他沒給百姓帶來過什麼好處。百姓不會把他當作大恩人看待。這
種情況與“四人幫”垮台後﹐人們擁護鄧小平不一樣。那時﹐人們知道鄧小平是會
搞資本主義的﹐所以對他充滿了希望。他的改革開放政策得到了人們的擁護﹐儘管
最大利益的獲得者還是他們自己人﹐但總比過窮共產主義生活為好。如果他不對學
生進行屠殺﹐他給百姓的印象或許不會這麼壞。後來由於貪污腐敗越演越烈﹐百姓
只能再抬出毛澤東來﹐演出了對毛懷念的鬧劇﹐以表示對鄧的反對。甚至民間說“寧
要四人幫的三十六元﹐不要鄧小平的高物價政策。”可憐而無奈的中國人民只能用
擁護他們中的一個人來表示反對他們中的另一個人。現在只能以挺胡錦濤﹐來暗示
反對極端貪污腐敗的江澤民一伙。

人非圣贤、孰能无过。

只是他的過對整個國家影響太大了﹐不能跟一般人比。

平心而论，周的功还是大于过的。再者，他一个人的力量能力挽狂澜吗？

看看这个：http://yidian.org/viewthread.php?tid=12225&page=1%26cateid%3D15.html

周就是毛的一条忠实走狗罢了，伪善面孔欺骗了不少人。

你是文章的作者吧？那么请问，你认为你自己的东西有多少 credibility 呢？

你早几年在哪儿呢？ Monday morning quarterback

俺还当是草叶呢，仔细看才发现是不知道哪里蹦出来的一棵小草

俺不是东西不要紧，遭罪自己一人，他总理不是东西，百姓就要遭殃。这简单道理
你还不懂吗？

得了得了，我们不整政治，一谈政治就丢风度。

小草你是新来的吗？好象没见过，欢迎欢迎！

面对史料，攻击作者（不是爱阳）没有credibility。那么，你的“周的功还是大于过”的依据是什么？

I reckon you have wrongly accused me of attacking the writer. In fact, I just asked that sunlover a simple question in terms of how much credibility he thinks his stuff has.  

Do you guys achieve any personal gain by whipping Mr. Zhou who was actually dead long ago?

Anyway, please keep in mind - to err is human, to forgive divine.

小草同志﹐你沒注意此文是誰寫的嗎﹖是老夫﹐不是愛陽。

不知你是國內來的﹐還是一直居住國外﹖一直居住國外﹐你不了解國內情況﹐你是
沒有發言權的。如是國內過來﹐就以一般百姓對周的了解來說﹐也應該能得出這個
結論。

政治人物不是一般平民﹐他的言行是要任公眾評論的。不管死了還是活著。這樣﹐
他們可以注意自己的言行。不要以人總會犯錯誤來作辯解。THEIR  ERRORS  COST
A  LOT  OF  DEAR  INNOCENT  LIVES。  THEY  MUST  BE  RESPONSIBLE  FOR  
IT。ALTHOUGH  TO FORGIVE  IS  DIVINE﹐ I  AM  NOT  DIVINE  AND  THE  LOSS
OF  SO  MANY LIVES  CAN’T  BE  FORGIVEN﹐ UNLESS  THEY  REGRET FOR WHAT
THEY  HAVE DONE。

逸士老夫，我不是三岁小童，我知道你是这篇原文的作者。我是在问爱阳他所提供的那篇文章有多少可信度。

死了的人还能注意其言行？我不否认周有错，特别是在文革中。要知道光靠他一个人的力量是不可能阻止这场运动的。

中共多年来对周的大肆歌功颂德，可信度又有多少？

难道是谎言重复一千遍就成了真理

I know what resposibilty and accountability means. Anyway,

quote

ALTHOUGH  TO FORGIVE  IS  DIVINE﹐ I  AM  NOT  DIVINE  AND  THE  LOSS
OF  SO  MANY LIVES  CAN’T  BE  FORGIVEN﹐ UNLESS  THEY  REGRET FOR WHAT
THEY  HAVE DONE。

unquote

Why don't you post all of your articles on mainland based websites, I wonder.

那么请问刘少奇又好在哪里？他要整起人来的话，那可是有过之而不及。

与此人相比，周恐怕是个‘圣人’了。

都不是东西，是东西也混不到那个地位。行了吧？

So don't need to hold personal grudges all the time, which will definitely ruin one's life or perhaps remaining days for heaven's sake.

我们几个厌恶周，也谈不上什么恨，为何让你如此不舒服？

你敬拜他也是你的自由，就这样吧。

笑话，我说过我敬拜他了吗？如果换了你在他的位子，你会怎么做呢？有时候“妥协”也是一种‘权宜之计’。不赞成，但也不能反对。 中国人有句俗话叫着，“人在屋檐下，不得不低头。”还有一句是，“留着青山在，不怕没柴烧。”


Do you know how many ordinary people stooped so low to save their own skin by betraying their own relations, close friends, as well as working mates during the notorious CR in hope that their political persecution or potential ones could be spared by the Party?


Do you know how many couldn't even wait to demonstrate their loyality to the CCP instead of baring their teeth like what overseas hermit is doing right now. Hermit dares to do it now, because he thinks he is protected by the USA.

Could he dare to utter a signle word when he was in China? I doubt it very much so, honestly.


So I reckon you guys are all chicken. If not, I dare you to post all of your anti-CCP stuff on the mainland-based websites in your real name. Do you have the guts to do so?

Last but not least, do you think what you write here can have any impact on the political landscape in China? If not, you'd better save your breath, full stop!

告诉你们，我最看不起‘李志绥’式的人物。

周的身上，你能看出典型的所谓“中国”式的智慧。可怜可悲可叹。

真是笑话，拿普通百姓去跟第二（三）号人物比？没有周作帮凶，毛能做那么多坏事？今天老百姓不能（敢）做那些你列举的事，就是因为有周式的帮凶。你认为除了第一号人物，其他人都没责任？

如果我的东西能放在那里（大陆媒体）不被删除，我就敢贴。贴了被删除，甚至连我的名字都一起被block，我费那个劲干嘛？

“留着青山在，不怕没柴烧”。只要留下一条狗命，只要能爬到一人之下，万人之上，什么坏事都可以做。以后不怕没人捧臭脚。

Why don't you post all of your articles on mainland based websites, I wonder.
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give me  a political  website in china.  i really want to post some of my articles there.  only i don't have suitable website addresses.

我批評了周﹐讚揚了劉嗎﹖這句話如對我說﹐是無的放矢。

吹鼓手抬轎手也不能推卸其助紂為逆的責任。如果當時表決﹐七人中多數人反對﹐
就沒有文革。

You can post your articles at Chinadaily News or free talk forum. As to website address, well, you can punch Chinadaily into google.

如果當時表決﹐七人中多數人反對﹐就沒有文革。

Oh, really? I think you are still pretty naive. I gather you might have suffered in vain from this catastrophe.

嗨，诸位，是中文论战，还是英文写帖比赛？
支持倒周派。那帮老朽和混蛋，当官当到死，就这一点，就令人厌恶。10亿人的国家，就只有这70多、80多的人能够管理中国吗？

"胡耀邦還促成過對右派分子這一全國性大冤案的平反﹐還為老百姓做過這麼點好事。相比之下﹐周恩來還不如胡耀邦。"
这样比较不妥当。胡耀邦平反冤假错案是毛死后的事。毛在世时，谁也不可能办到。

"彭德懷敢於不顧烏紗帽﹐而上萬言書﹐為民請命。周恩來連這點膽量也沒有。"
也许是。不过，除非中共内部有大量的彭德怀，否则，多一两个彭德怀恐怕与事无补。周恩来如果与老毛硬干，大概只有下台一条路。这样一来，他个人的名节倒是保存了，但是如果总理的位置落到张春桥一类人的手里，恐怕只会糟得多。

"毛要把權力移交給所謂的“四人幫”。林彪被毛周聯合搞下去後﹐周恩來就成了“四人幫”上台的又一個障礙﹐所以矛頭就直接指向了“大儒”。"
这纯属臆想。要真是如此，周重病以及死后，毛应当把大权交给四人帮才是，为何先是启用邓小平主持工作，后来又把权交给华国锋？

说的有道理。

Overseas hermit, have you ever read a book entitled Eldest Son by Han Suyin?

I suggest you should read it.

小草, I am warning you: Don't call me chicken. If you call me chicken again, I'll call you duck

Overseas hermit, to demonize Mr. Zhou is not going to make you look like a hero at all but a pathetic monday morning quarterback.

Well, what can I call you? sob?

小草是妹妹吗？那我就更佩服你。：))

欢迎！

why should i want to be a hero?  i only want to let people with brains to understand who zhou really is.  as for those without brains i'll leave them alone. no time to waste on them.

How much do you know about Mr. Zhou? Have you ever worked with or for him?

I bet what's on your mind regarding Mr. Zhou is also kind of hearsays.

Liu was very active or took part in these nasty political campaigns or movements,too. In general, he was part of the catastrophe.

Three-antiS, Five-antiS, Anti-rightist, well, just name a few to remind you.

These funny words apply to yourself as well.

All you said about Zhou are copies from the notorious propaganda machine of CCP, that have less credibility than hearsays. Do you have your own stuff in your mind or brain, man or woman?

Zhou and Liu were very active or took part in these nasty political campaigns or movements. In general, Both of them were part of the catastrophe.

Three-antiS, Five-antiS, Anti-rightist, well, just name a f..

http://www.amazon.com/Eldest-Son-Making-1898-1976-Kodansha/dp/1568360843


Editorial Reviews

From Publishers Weekly

This dramatic, admiring biography portrays Chinese Communist premier Zhou Enlai (1898-1976) as a coolheaded conciliator who tried to curb Mao Zedong's excesses and to introduce democratic reforms. Drawing on her 11 meetings with Zhou, untranslated Chinese sources, interviews and her many trips to China, Han Suyin, historian and novelist, maintains that Zhou, as early as 1948, devised a program for a mixed economy and, in the mid-1950s, attempted to introduce "something like perestroika , Chinese-style," with the Hundred Flowers Movement calling for free discussion and shared decision-making. According to the author, Zhou worked behind the scenes against Mao's Great Leap Forward (1958-1959) and returned countless peasants to their villages. While ostensibly supporting Mao's Cultural Revolution of the '60s, Zhou fought its excesses, saving the lives of many targeted victims, she shows. This vivid biography, filled with close-ups of Nixon, Kissinger, Chiang Kaishek, Stalin, Khrushchev and Deng Xiaoping, rewards with its insights into Beijing-Washington and Beijing-Moscow relations.
Copyright 1993 Reed Business Information, Inc. --This text refers to an out of print or unavailable edition of this title.


From Library Journal

The late Zhou Enlai occupied a unique position among the legendary leaders of revolutionary China: his practical and noble presence among the many radicals and ideologues endeared him to many Chinese and non-Chinese alike. Suyin, a historian and the author of the 1952 novel, A Many-Splendoured Thing , is no exception, and it is to her credit that her bias does not prevent her from writing an interesting and reasonable biography. She provides little new understanding of this complex diplomat and administrator but does add details to his activities, drawing on her many interviews with Zhou's subordinates and contemporaries, as well as 11 meetings with Zhou himself. An alternative popular treatment is Ed Hammond's well-illustrated Coming of Grace ( LJ 1/15/81), while Dick Wilson's Zhou Enlai (Viking, 1984) and Ronald C. Keith's The Diplomacy of Zhou Enlai (St. Martin's, 1989) provide more serious coverage.
- Kenneth W. Berger, Duke Univ. Lib., Durham, N.C.
Copyright 1994 Reed Business Information, Inc. --This text refers to an out of print or unavailable edition of this title.


Please tell me these are also copies from the notorious propaganda machine of CCP?

Zhou Enlai

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

周恩来

Zhou Enlai


Zhou Enlai (simplified Chinese: 周恩来; traditional Chinese: 周恩來; pinyin: Zhōu Ēnlái; Wade-Giles: Chou En-lai) (5 March 1898 – 8 January 1976) was the first Premier of the People's Republic of China, serving from October 1949 until his death in January 1976. Zhou was instrumental in the Communist Party's rise to power, and subsequently in the construction of the People's Republic of China economy and restructuring of Chinese society.

A skilled and able diplomat, Zhou served as the Chinese foreign minister from 1949 to 1958. Advocating peaceful coexistence with the West, he participated in the 1954 Geneva Conference and helped orchestrate Richard Nixon's 1972 visit to China. Due to his expertise, Zhou was largely able to survive the purges of high-level Chinese Communist Party officials during the Cultural Revolution. His attempts at mitigating the Red Guard's damage and his efforts to protect others from their wrath made him immensely popular in the Revolution's later stages.

As Mao Zedong's health began to decline in 1971 and 1972, Zhou and the Gang of Four struggled internally over leadership of China. Zhou's health was also failing however, and he died eight months before Mao on 8 January 1976. The massive public outpouring of grief in Beijing turned to anger towards the Gang of Four, leading to the Tiananmen Incident. Deng Xiaoping, Zhou's ally and successor as Premier, was able to outmaneuver the Gang of Four politically and eventually take Mao's place as Paramount Leader.

Enough is enough. Sorry no time to play with the hardcore brain anymore. You guys have fun

Zhou was a moderate. China could be in a much worse situation at that time during the CR without Zhou.


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One of the greatest statesmen of the twentieth century, Zhou Enlai was long overshadowed by the more visible Mao Dzedong. His extraordinary accomplishments have been little recongnised outside China, where he is still revered as the father of the modern nation.

unquote


The quoted passage is from a book by Han suyin.

No one invites you here anyway, man!

don't quote anything from anywhere.  I believe in my own judgment.

I didn't say that Liu is better than Zhou.  so don't mention Liu to me in our discussioin.

I suspect that  you are someone close to Zhou since you so vigolously plead for him.

what I think of Zhou is what most of Chinese people think. you can't convince anyone of them.

by the way, i went on www.chinadaily.com , but there is no register, no log-in.  so it seems  that no one is allowed to post anything.  you have another website of this kind?

周恩來在晚年究竟對老百姓做過什麼好事﹖

那么他在晚年又究竟對老百姓做過那些坏事？请你一一道来！

I wonder why you (overseas hermit) don't write an article about that sinister person - Kang Sheng

Zhou was not only a stateman of world magnitude, a consummate diplomat, a skillful administrator, but also a human, witty, endearing person.

During the mid-1980s, an attempt by some young academics to disparage all of China's revolutionary heroes included some attacks against Zhou. They criticized his conduct during the CR.

He should have organized a rebellion in the Party against Mao, some averred.