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作者: Immanuel 时间: 2009-10-25 01:35 标题: [转载]Knowledge and Virtue
I am fascinated by the recent discussions about translation on this forum. I would venture to ask some "good hands" to render some pieces for our enjoyment, not merely for the sake of appreciating one's skills, but that good writings never fail to teach us something of life. And life is so precious and unique, always in need of care and nourishment.
Here is one...
Knowledge and Virtue
Knowledge is one thing, virtue is another; good sense is not conscience, refinement is not humility, nor is largeness and justness of view faith. Philosophy, however enlightened, however profound, gives no command over the passions, no influential motives, no vivifying principles. Liberal Education makes not the Christian, not the Catholic, but the gentleman.
It is well to be a gentleman, it is well to have a cultivated intellect, a delicate taste, a candid, equitable, dispassionate mind, a noble and courteous bearing in the conduct of life-these are the connatural qualities of a large knowledge; they are the objects of a University. I am advocating, I shall illustrate and insist upon them; but still, I repeat, they are no guarantee for sanctity or even for conscientiousness, and they may attach to the man of the world, to the profligate, to the heartless, pleasant, alas, and attractive as he shows when decked out in them. Taken by themselves, they do but seem to be what they are not; they look like virtue at a distance, but they are detected by close observers, and in the long run; and hence it is that they are popularly accused of pretense and hypocrisy, not, I repeat, from their own fault, but because their professors and their admirers persist in taking them for what they are not, and are officious in arrogating for them a praise to which they have no claim.
Quarry the granite rock with razors, or moor the vessel with a thread of silk, then may you hope with such keen and delicate instruments as human knowledge and human reason to contend against those giants, the passion and the pride of man.
作者: fanghuzhai 时间: 2009-10-25 08:25
先说说出处，再说说为什么要翻译。
看了一下，还真像翻译教材喜欢选用的作业。
作者: xzhao2 时间: 2009-10-25 12:52
高！
作者: Immanuel 时间: 2009-10-25 13:19
You are right...I just read across it and like it very much...
作者: weili 时间: 2009-10-25 20:30
好像是大道理哦~~
作者: Immanuel 时间: 2009-10-26 05:22
weili,
你说得对，似乎大道理了些。谁想到外国人也道学呢。 
不过，有时候我觉得“根本”的“道理”还是要讲的。大的是非是值得坚持的。想来你也同意。
我自己试着翻译一下，望诸位帮忙修改指正。抛砖引玉云。。。
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才学与品德
才学是一码事，品德是另一码；世事通达并非就是善恶分明，温雅不是谦虚，目标再正大也不是信仰。哲思，无论何等明悟，也不能主宰激情，影响动机，活化原则。人文教育成就的不是基督教徒，不是天主教徒，而是文人绅士。
作个绅士是好事，见识高明，品味精致，又有一个坦诚、公道、冷静的头脑，为人处事雅而不俗，彬彬有礼，这当然是好事———这些乃博学之人固有的教养；是学府育人的宗旨。 我对此不单赞同，还想行之持之；但是，恕我赘言，它们并非圣洁， 甚至良知的保证，世俗人、纨绔子、薄幸者皆可以之装饰自己，赏人心，悦人目。就事论事，它们容易让人觉得似是而非；远而观之，浑然与德行无二，近而就之，则敌不过细辩与久察的；故而，人常常讥之为矫饰虚伪，这却并不是，恕我赘言，其本身的罪过，原因倒在于教之慕之的人们以讹传讹、以假为真，多管闲事地僭称过美了它们。
剃刃采坚石，蚕丝系瓦缶，人的学识与明辨亦当如此地至利与至微，才有望克服人的欲念和自负这样的猛兽巨怪。
作者: 忍忍 时间: 2009-10-26 08:52
Originally posted by
Immanuel at 2009-10-26 02:22 AM:
weili,
你说得对，似乎大道理了些。谁想到外国人也道学呢。
不过，有时候我觉得“根本”的“道理”还是要讲的。大的是非是值得坚持的。想来你也同意。
我自己试着翻译一下，望诸位帮忙修改指正。抛砖..
WOW,
原来是自己在挑战。
读了一遍，没有细推敲，翻得通顺，先赞一个，留给后人批判。
另，喜欢这样的短文。谢分享。
作者: 忍忍 时间: 2009-10-26 19:25
Originally posted by Immanuel at 2009-10-26 02:22 AM:
weili,
才学与品德
才学是一码事，品德是另一码；世事通达并非就是善恶分明，温雅不是谦虚，目标再正大也不是信仰。哲思，无论何等明彻，也不能主宰激情，影响动机，活化原则。人文教育成就的不是基督教徒，不是天主教徒，而是文人绅士。
。。。good sense is not conscience, refinement is not humility, nor is largeness and justness of view faith.
上面几句是不是这样好一些：
通情达理与道德品质无关，文雅不是谦卑, 观点的开明和正确不等于忠诚（信仰？）。
nor is largeness and justness of view faith = largeness and justness of view is no faith;
view = point of view
作者: Immanuel 时间: 2009-10-27 01:46
忍忍，我很看重你的指正。多谢了。略及“conscience”一词。希望你帮忙翻译一下所引的句子。
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“Conscience”是一个很大的词，严重点，是个“要命”的词。Thomas More 囚于伦敦塔，死于Henry VIII之手者， 就在于坚持这一个词。
Quote something here from "The Last Letters of Thomas More":
Though the law of every man's conscience be but a private court, yet it is the highest and supereme court for judgement or justice.
---Henry VIII
Howbeit (as help me God), as touching the whole oath, I never withdrew any man from it, nor never advised any to refuse it, nor never put, nor will, any scruple in any man's head, but leave every man to his own conscience. And methinketh in good faith that so were it good reason that every man should leave me to mine.
---Thomas More
The two cities, therefore, were created by two loves: the earthly by love of oneself, even to the point of contempt for God; the heavenly by the love of God, even to the point of contempt for oneself. The first glories in itself; the second in the Lord. The first seeks glory from human beings. God, who is the witness of the conscience, is the greatest glory of the other.
---Augustine of Hippo
作者: Immanuel 时间: 2009-10-27 03:47
再接再励。。。。。
声声慢
作者: 李清照
寻寻觅觅，冷冷清清，凄凄惨惨戚戚。乍暖还寒时候，最难将息。三杯两盏淡酒，怎敌他、晚来风急？雁过也，正伤心，却是旧时相识。
满地黄花堆积，憔悴损，如今有谁堪摘？守著窗儿，独自怎生得黑？梧桐更兼细雨，到黄昏、点点滴滴。这次第，怎一个愁字了得？
Bit by Bit Slower
Li Qingzhao
I seek and search
Chill and ill are all I could catch
So in dreary, weary and misery I lurch.
Hard it is to rest
When cold days persist
And warm ones won't last
Two or three thin wine fail to find
Any fuel in me to withstand
One chilly night with a rushing wind
The wild goose had passed along
But sorrow drags on
Now this my old friend also is gone
Yellow flowers pile on the ground
Poor and worn is all you can found
Who cares to carry these around?
Sit alone by the window
Now, see, what darkness will bestow!
Till dusk pit-a-pat it rains
On plane trees drips and drops
And it never stops
Oh, indeed this IS a wretched moment
But, lo, what a word "wretched" can cement!
作者: 忍忍 时间: 2009-10-27 23:31
Originally posted by Immanuel at 2009-10-26 10:46 PM:
忍忍，我很看重你的指正。多谢了。略及“conscience”一词。希望你帮忙翻译一下所引的句子。
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“Conscience”是一个很大的词，严重点，是个“要命”的词。Thomas More 囚于伦敦塔，死于Hen..
慢牛，
你可先翻，俺可以帮你推敲。俺看你翻得本来很好。只是一些地方的疏忽。
作者: Immanuel 时间: 2009-10-28 05:19
忍忍，看来你的心肠变软了。幸好本牛只是“慢”了点，否则，又怎一个“蛮”字了得！真不愧是我的一字师。
作业完成，请老师批改。
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Though the law of every man's conscience be but a private court, yet it is the highest and supereme court for judgement or justice.
---Henry VIII
良心律固然只是个人法庭，却是善恶公义的最高法庭。
---亨利八世
Howbeit (as help me God), as touching the whole oath, I never withdrew any man from it, nor never advised any to refuse it, nor never put, nor will, any scruple in any man's head, but leave every man to his own conscience. And methinketh in good faith that so were it good reason that every man should leave me to mine.
---Thomas More
不过，提到宣誓其事，愿神保我清白，我从未劝人退缩，从未劝人拒绝，也从未，将来也绝不会，劝人多加小心，我只是让人各尽本心。我相信，也有理由希望，人们应当让我也尽到我的本心。
---托马斯·莫尔
The two cities, therefore, were created by two loves: the earthly by love of oneself, even to the point of contempt for God; the heavenly by the love of God, even to the point of contempt for oneself. The first glories in itself; the second in the Lord. The first seeks glory from human beings. God, who is the witness of the conscience, is the greatest glory of the other.
---Augustine of Hippo
因此，这两座城是建之于两种爱。建人间之城的是对自我的爱，以至于轻视于神；建天堂之城的是对神的爱，以至于无视自我。前者以己为荣；后者以神为荣。前者求的是世人的光荣。而神，这人心的见证，却是后者最大的光荣。
---圣奥古斯丁
作者: deepblue 时间: 2009-10-29 22:29
Originally posted by Immanuel at 2009-10-26 02:22 AM:
Philosophy, however enlightened, however profound...
enlightening?
作者: Immanuel 时间: 2009-10-30 00:30
deepblue,
Do look at it again...
作者: 忍忍 时间: 2009-10-30 10:00
Originally posted by
Immanuel at 2009-10-28 02:19 AM:
忍忍，看来你的心肠变软了。幸好本牛只是“慢”了点，否则，又怎一个“蛮”字了得！真不愧是我的一字师。
作业完成，请老师批改。
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Though the law of every man's conscience be but..
慢牛，
俺现在比你还慢。再等等。
这坛子里有廖老师和方老师，还有其他老夫子，别言俺是老师，俺不好意思。
作者: deepblue 时间: 2009-10-30 13:08
Originally posted by
Immanuel at 2009-10-29 09:30 PM:
deepblue,
Do look at it again...
You can't be so certain "enlightened philosophy" is what "哲思...明彻" should mean.
作者: Immanuel 时间: 2009-10-30 13:58
deepblue,
你看翻成“明悟”如何？好一点吗？
作者: deepblue 时间: 2009-10-30 22:54
Immanuel, you have confused me: do you mean it was really a translation from English to Chinese?
When you say "however enlightened (philosophy is)", I understand that you are talking about the enlightenment of philosophy itself, not its effect of enlightening the mind. Since you are the translator (and the author?), you will decide what meaning this word should have.
作者: Immanuel 时间: 2009-10-31 04:04
Dear Deepblue,
Now you confused me! ha-ha-ha.
Let me explain a bit:
1. I did a translation on an English writing for reciting in order to better my poor English. I really don't know who wrote it, I would gladly give him the credit if I do. Hope the author won't jump on me as I posted it here without a "release note". If only he knows how I admire him!
2. The translation is rendered from English into Chinese, so I do not have much a freedom to change the English. Instead, I have to ask you to help me to offer it justice by choosing the right Chinese word, which proved to be a job I took on haphazardly.
Now, sorry for burdening you with it-you are cleaning up my mess... Ha-ha-ha...
Be richly blessed...
作者: 忍忍 时间: 2009-10-31 13:59
Originally posted by
Immanuel at 2009-10-28 02:19 AM:
忍忍，看来你的心肠变软了。幸好本牛只是“慢”了点，否则，又怎一个“蛮”字了得！真不愧是我的一字师。
作业完成，请老师批改。
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Though the law of every man's conscience be but..
慢牛，
These are perfect, I see no nits.
赞。
作者: Immanuel 时间: 2009-10-31 16:22
谢谢老师，看来我敲对了门。
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