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标题: 伦敦何用发愁——感动而来的感想之十二 [打印本页]

作者: xzhao2     时间: 2008-8-25 08:52     标题: 伦敦何用发愁——感动而来的感想之十二

据说伦敦市长说他可没有那么多的钱来举办伦敦奥运。

其实他也是说说而已。

以少胜多,历来为兵家实战所证实;以简敌繁,懂得留白又是艺术的不二法门。

同样两个八分钟,水平天差地远。何者雅何者俗一目了然。

有着悠久希腊神话历史和奥林匹克传统精神的雅典奥运开幕时至今让人回味无穷。那才叫做天人合一!而绝对不是被人误认为夸父追日的“天人合一”。

双层客车进入鸟巢,凸现了伦敦风貌。当然并非英伦三岛的象征。一批(不是一群)候车市民,都是普普通通的市民大众。那极具特色的雨伞又是一个伦敦特色的标志。

英国著名重金属乐队齐柏林飞艇吉他手佩奇与英国时下最受欢迎的女歌手刘易斯到场,为伦敦2012年奥运进行宣传造势。

传递的是一只足球,反映英伦的体育特色。仍然是世界级第一帅哥的英国足球明星贝克汉姆最后奋起一脚,与在场观众的互动性极好。那个日本女运动员可是撞了大运,捡到了不同凡响的那只足球。

伦敦的这个八分钟又让人想起上次冬奥运的交接。温哥华坐轮椅的市长带领一帮演出队伍同样是极其简洁的表演。

并非是人海战术一定取胜。就像满汉全席不一定不让人倒胃口。即如胡锦涛他宴请欢送外国贵宾的国宴也是很简单的一份菜单——

冷盘、奶油芦笋汤、中式豉椒牛扒、栗茸酥金枪鱼卷、珍菌香瓜盅、宫廷白果粥,以及点心、水果。——仅此而已。

此外,伦敦白金汉宫外面将举行一场免费音乐会,庆祝伦敦正式成为奥运城市,预计将有四万人到场。英国一些奥运老将和参加北京奥运的健儿也将到场助兴,其中包括在在北京奥运会上一揽8枚金牌的美国游泳王子菲尔普斯。这够有承上启下的特色了吧。

英国著名的红箭飞行表演队将飞过白金汉宫上空,把庆祝活动推向高潮。英国各地也将举行各种庆祝活动,在400个地点将会升起专门设计的奥运旗帜。

所以,绝非靠金山银海就是最佳艺术。反过来,少花钱办好事才见真本事。

祝愿伦敦奥运圆满。伦敦市长要担心决不是文艺演出,而是恐怖活动。因为他绝对不可能有数以百万计的志愿者参与。
作者: 更其     时间: 2008-8-25 09:47
看闭幕式感触挺深,我们的导演太“土鳖”了。连狂欢都不自然,还是春晚糊弄“老百姓”那一套,还是人多战术,还是笨重的夸张,乱哄哄,造型丑陋,大红大绿,穿金戴银,以为这就“热闹”了?这就狂欢了?太失望了。

“伦敦8分钟”非常好,双层巴士+“变形金刚”的想法不仅有伦敦历史元素,也巧妙形成小舞台,这还不是重要的,关键是你看那些演出的艺术家,每个人都有自己的服装、表情、动作,自由发挥的空间,而中国,显然不知道什么叫个性,什么叫现代艺术,算给中国导演上了一课。

吉他手佩奇这类人物,在中国顶多只能作为“地下”音乐人,极难浮出水面,中国不是没有充满个性的艺术家,可是,谁给他们机会?大批自由艺术的灵魂人物只能让位于俗不可耐的主流意识形态下的“土鳖”们。

可以设想,就是同一个主题,张导一定会找青春的脸来作秀,亚洲现代艺术的特点之一就是崔健所说“利用年轻人的身体”,可我看到欧美的艺术家的艺术生命要长得多,而且越活越恣意而成熟。看那老头,多潇洒!

如果我们对自由的体会不深,艺术创作必然缩手缩脚,放开小脚和剪掉辫子是容易的,但要把根上的忌讳从心里排除掉,却难上加难。对现代艺术,我们不仅形式上陈旧,观念上就更别提了。
作者: Armstrong     时间: 2008-8-25 13:53


引用:
Originally posted by xzhao2 at 2008-8-25 01:52 PM:
据说伦敦市长说他可没有那么多的钱来举办伦敦奥运。

其实他也是说说而已。

以少胜多,历来为兵家实战所证实;以简敌繁,懂得留白又是艺术的不二法门。

同样两个八分钟,水平天差地远。何者雅何者俗一目了..

其实,英国人的八分钟表演,展示给中国人的是一种清淡和真实。北京奥运会上中国
人十六天的表演,尤其是开幕式和闭幕式,也向世界表现了中国一种真实的文化----中
国人喜欢露富、热闹,习惯藏拙和造假。

四年后,英国人会让世界知道他们的牛顿、瓦特和达尔文? 好象不会,更不会以某
种方式表达他们的日不落的辉煌,但两百年以后可能会。
作者: luhua     时间: 2008-8-25 15:03
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发信人: garfield123 (加菲), 信区: Olympics
标 题: 伦敦8分钟,英国人在BBC上的留言,开骂~~~~~~~~~
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Aug 25 14:26:48 2008)

  Oh my the Chinese will be a hard act to follow. What a shambles the
British effort was, very embarrassing indeed. A double decker bus, beckham,
an xfactor winner, a sweaty aging rock star, dancers with umbrellas throwng
newspapers everywhere. I guess a good symbol of modern day Britain. I fear
our efforts will always be second class to China. This might show new labour
off for what they are and what they have done to our once great country
  天啊,中国人的表演将是很难去学习,英国的表现是这么的丢脸,丢脸之极。一辆
双层公交,贝克汉姆,一个选秀赢家,一个老摇滚明星,一群舞者拿这雨伞乱丢报纸,
我猜这就是现代伦敦的标志。我恐怕我们的表现对比中国来说永远只能是二等。。。。
。。

  The dancing was a bit straggly in the " London " routine . After seeing
all the cyclists taking part,the Chinese will think "Nobody can afford cars
in London "
  伦敦的例行表演中登场的那些舞者简直就是群魔乱舞。眼看着那些骑着自行车的家
伙也来凑热闹,中国人都会认为“伦敦人都买不起车啦”
  
  The British "teaser" was ok, but we were disappointed to see the
performer in the wheelchair was not in fact disabled but was leaping around
later in the dance.
  英国人还不赖,不过当我们发现那位坐轮椅的表演者根本不是残疾的时候--他在稍
后的舞蹈中到处蹦达来着 --- 好失望呀么好失望。

  Did anyone else this the 'London 8 minutes' presentation was - dare I
say it - rubbish!? Leona sang her heart out on top of a ladder, on top of a
bus whilst 20 contemporary dancers did their stuff way below. It was just so
low key relative to what had gone on before it.
  这儿还有没有人也觉得这次“伦敦8分钟”表演根本就是--恕我直言--垃圾!?
Leona站在那巴士顶上的高架子上唱歌,简直把她的小心肝都给吓破了;同时还有那20
来个家伙在底下伴舞。跟之前的那些表演相比,真是够丢分的了。
  
  But oh, our offering at the closing ceremony was embarrassing.A red bus,
a pop singer, an ageing rocker and an overpaid ball kicker was awful. Where
was our great Island heritage portrayed in all this flummery?
  哦,我们在闭幕式上的表现真丢脸。一辆红吧是,一个流行歌手,一个摇滚老头,
还有个我们付了太多薪水给他的踢球的家伙 -- 这一切都太糟糕了。在这堆乱七八糟的
糟粕里头,我们这个伟大岛屿的传承却无处可见。

  Organisers - please do better for us in 2012.
  组织者 -- 行行好,好好干~在2012年给我们挣点脸

  And why can't Boris button his jacket? Too fat or bad tailoring?
  这句话是说他们市长的:为什么Boris上衣的扣子不扣起来?他太胖了还是衣服剪
裁不合适?

  I've just watched the Olympic closing ceremony, and as I feared, Britain
's contribution was embarassing and totally pathetic - I just hope they
manage to do better in 2012. It will obviously be impossible to rival the
spectacular pageant that Beijing provided, but I thought the dancing (if you
can call that dancing) and the Leona Lewis/Jimmy Page effort was just
pitiful. Hopefully, we can ditch all this government inspired 'Cool
Britannia' garbage and present something a bit more slick and professional.
  刚看了闭幕式,跟我担心的一样,英国的表现真丢人而且完全令人失望,我只希望
他们2012年能搞好点儿。很明显我们没法跟北京搞出的壮观场面好点,但我想那些舞蹈
(如果你管那个叫舞蹈)和俩歌手的表演都很令人遗憾。希望我们能够摆脱政府提倡的
那些“酷酷的大不列颠”的垃圾,展现一些更专业和娴熟(?)的东西

  I agree that Adrian Childs was poor: he seemed to think that he was on
the One Show.  
  The London Bus routine was pretty much rubbish ... the music was poor
and everything smacked of pop culture. Period. 
  The Games themselves were superbly run. The BBC was teetering on the
brink of overblown nationalism, however.
  我也觉得Adrian Childs很可怜,他看上去以为自己是在个人秀。。
  伦敦巴士的演出特别垃圾,音乐很糟糕,所有一切都带着流行文化时代的味道。
  运动会本身搞得非常好,但bbc有过分的民族主义之嫌(是嫌bbc吹捧英国运动员太
厉害?)

  I'm staying in Singapore and feel embarrassed to go to work tomorrow
after that dreadful showing by London 2012  
  我住在新加坡,在伦敦2012年可怕的表演过后我明天去工作的时候会感觉很尴尬。

  I live in Germany and, like the person from Singapore, will be ashamed
to meet my friends tomorrow  
  我住在德国,就像那个住新加坡人说的,明天去见朋友的时候会变的很丢脸。

  Jimmy Page and David Beckham have been massive icons of British popular
culture. I'm not especially a fan of either, but they perfectly suited to
the ceremony.  
  Not bothered either way about Leona whatshername, but the chief
embarrassment, reducing us instantly to laughing stock of the world and
diminishing at a stroke the achievements of our athletes, was the presence
of Boris Bloody Johnson!!! This man symbolizes everything wrong with Britain
- a deeply untalented buffoon, with a thoroughly sinister interior. Get him
off the stage once and for all.
  Jimmy Page和贝壳都是英国流行文化的重大标志。我并不是他们的粉丝,但他们很
适合这个演出。
  那个叫Leona啥啥的演出我也不觉得糟(就是那个独唱的mm),但是最大的丢人之
处,直接把我们埋汰成全世界的笑料并且抹杀了我们的运动员取得的成绩的,就是那个
虾米Boris Johnson(伦敦那个混混市长)的出现!这家伙象征着英国所有糟糕的东西
——一个完全没有天赋的小丑,内心丑恶。把他永远逐出舞台吧!

  When I heard about the plans for the London presentation, including the
"arrangement" of the national anthem and the rehashed 70s rock music, I
thought "it can't possibly be as bad as I'm imagining it". Well, it wasn't.
It was a thousand, toe-curlingly hideous times worse. Against the dignity,
seriousness and power of the Chinese displays, it was so far beyond
embarrassing, my brain has already almost forgotten it, in a desperate
paroxysm of self-defence.
  当我听到伦敦发表的计划,包括“安排的”国歌和70年代的摇滚歌曲,我想这不可
能比我想象的还要糟糕,好了,它不是,它是千万倍的更加糟糕。对比尊严的,严肃的
和力量的中国表演,它比丢脸还要丢脸,在绝望的自我保护状态下,我的大脑已经将它
忘记。

  omg, I hope our eight minutes during the closing ceremony is not a
foretaste of the tackiness to come in four years time. "  
  It felt a lot longer than eight minutes..... Every cringe and every gasp
of horror made it feel like a lifetime!  
  If that is all we have to offer, lets hope the rest of the world has
popped out down the pub when we take centre stage.  
  Our athletes deserve much better than this, they did us proud in Beijing
(lets not forget the Paralympics too) and will continue to do so.
  饿滴神,我希望闭幕式这8分钟不是预示着四年之后我们要展示出来的东西。
  这个感觉不止8分钟,希望我们跑上台去表演的时候世界上其他人都跑出去泡吧了
……(哈哈)
  我们的运动员值得比这个好得多的东西,他们为我们在北京赢得了骄傲(别忘了还
有残奥会)并且会继续这样做。

  Mind you, from the wretched logo to the vacuous miming chick to David
Bloody Beckham, it was all a perfect reflection of London and England as
they now are: cheap, tatty, shallow, and above all laughing enormously at
their own jokes while the rest of the world looks on with contempt. Perfect.
  
  Now, 2012... where can I go to avoid it all? Please can I move to China?
  现在,2012--跑到哪里我可以完全的避开它?请问我能搬到中国去吗?

  I have been glued to the Olympics constantly and very proud of Team GB
but my god what on earth was that 8 minute section in the closing ceremony.
  
  The chinese put on a fantastic show and we have basically a red bus and
a sparkler.  
  Who ever put this together should be sacked before we are embarressed
anymore.  
  By the way BBC should be given a gold medal for the coverage, first
class.
  我一直迷着奥运会,也很为英国队的表现骄傲,可是饿滴神啊,闭幕式的8分钟到
底在干啥啊!
  中国人的表演非常令人着迷,可我们就只有一辆红巴士和一些发光物(是指巴士变
形后出来的绿哇哇的东西咩?)
  把这些东西搞到一起去的人应该被炒鱿鱼,在我们继续丢人之前。
  ps:bbc的报道应该给颁一块金牌,一流的。

  A beautifully organised Games all around, then Boris appears, jacket
undone, looking like a drunk who gatecrashed the party, what an
embarrassment  
  一个组织有序的美丽的运动会,然后Boris出现了,
  衣冠不整  
  像个酒鬼一样冲进了派对  
  多么令人羞耻啊!!!!!

  I have a Grandson living and working in Beijing and I only hope he stays
under cover until the humilation dies down a little. It certainly will
never go away.   
  In 8 mins we have become the laughing stock of the world.  
  我有一个孙子生活和工作在北京,我只希望他在这丢人的气氛减小前藏好自己。它
肯定永远不会消失。   
  在这8分钟,我们已成为世界笑柄

  I thought it was fine. Are we going to have to look forward to another
four years of whingeing about the Olympics? If so, I'm glad I'm living in
China.  
  (哈哈哈这大哥比较安心)
  我觉得不错,是不是我们不得不面对着另外四年关于奥运会的抱怨?如果是的,我
很高兴我现在住在中国。

  —— Leona! Poor girls must be so nervous!
  —— She sounds like a whale mating     
  I didn't think it was possibly but this both sucks and blows.    
  Grow up London 2012 and stop trying to be so 'cool'. This is
embarrassing.  
—— 利昂娜!可怜的姑娘们很紧张吧!
  —— 她听起来像是只正在交配的鲸鱼  
我都不忍心这么说,但是这个的确是又SB又NC
  成熟点,London 2012,别那么装酷。真丢人

  Funny how the Beijing Olympics had absolutely nothing to do with Beijing
. They were all about China. But the London Olympics are apparently all
about London.   
  有趣的是,北京奥运和北京没什么太大关系,而是关于整个中国。但是伦敦奥运很
明显只和伦敦有关   
  
  Is anyone else finding this all a bit shabby after the chinese dancing
etc   
  大家有没有发现,在中国的舞蹈等等后面出场,他们显得多么寒酸啊
  
  Why don't my buses look like that?   
  汗,我坐的公交车怎么不像那个样子

  The Chinese did it again the closing was amazing. First class and out of
this world. The one negative was the London Show what in the heck was that.
In Athens when the Chinese did there welccome to show it was amazing and
you knew you where going to get something special in Beijing. I hope that
London does better than what they showed to-day.
  中国人又让他们的闭幕式(和开幕式一样)一样NB,世界一流甚至超越世界!唯一
让人不爽恶心呕吐的是伦敦的8分钟。在雅典闭幕式的时候,中国人华丽丽滴欢迎表演
,就让人知道北京会展现出他的特别之处。我希望伦敦会比我们今天所看到的做得好些。

  Replicate it, we don’t have a chance it hell. For one thing we’ll be
lucky to find 1% of the volunteers from Beijing. Perhaps all the people
claiming on benefits should be forced to volunteer !!!  
  Smith, London
  复制它,我们根本没TMD机会.其中一点如果我们走运的话我们能找到相当北京1%的
志愿者.可能所有人都在抢夺本该属于志愿者的利益.

  Forget about the image of Myra Hindley. What about the image of some guy
painting graffiti on a wall? What are we trying to say here? "Come to
London, where criminal disfigurement of public property is welcomed and
celebrated?!"  
  忘掉Myra Hindley的样子吧.看看那个一群人在墙上涂鸦的画面?我们到底想表现什
么?来伦敦吧,这里毁坏公共财产的犯罪行为会受到欢迎.

  Dont know what to laugh more at - the tacky 8 minutes of rubbish the UK
put on in Beijing or the smug comments on here about how "At least we are
free.." Last time I looked the UK was the most watched (CCTV) nation on
earth and we have a government that has used fear and hate to strip us of
freedoms on a daily basis. The only difference between the UK and China is
that they wasted billions more than we can afford to- but Im sure we'll
waste as much as we can. But freedom?? Dont make me laugh!  
  Terry Roberts, Shropshire
  不知道要嘲笑什么,在北京展示的英国垃圾8分钟还是这里自鸣得意的留言关于"至
少我们是自由的",最后一次我看到英国是地球上安装最多监视器(CCTV英国沿街安装的
监视系统,不是中央台哦)的国家,利用恐怖和仇恨来控制我们的日常自由,中国和英国之
间唯一的区别是他们用掉了比我们的承受能力还多的钱,但是我相信我们也会花费我们
能用的每一分钱.但是自由,别让我笑了.

  The Chinese people seem to love all things western (David Beckham
included by the looks of it) but in return all we can do is bad mouth them
and show no respect. What does that say about us.  
  There’s an old saying, treat people the same as how you would like to
be treated.  
  Rob, London   
  中国人似乎喜欢关于西方的所有事情(包括贝克汉姆),但是做为回报我们能做的只
是说他们的坏话和不尊重.
  有句古语,用你期待别人对待你的方式来对待别人

  Oops, I forgot about the fireworks. Weren't they wonderful!  
  I was so impressed by how they managed to create the Olympic Rings in
the sky - truly amazing.  
  Thank you China.  
  [cheesed-off], United Kingdom
  哦...我忘说烟花了,太漂亮了,
  他们是怎样把五环打在天空的,太不可思议了.  
  谢谢中国.

  In my time I've witnessed countless Royal Variety Performances and the
opening ceremony of the Dome. This British fiasco was worse than any of them
, and even at only eight minutes seemed interminable. No wonder London mayor
Boris Johnson looked so uncomfortable beforehand. He must have known what
was coming.
  俺目睹过无数的盛大演出也看了DOME(这个不大明白)的开幕式,这回英国的演出
可真是一场彻头彻尾的失败,比我看过的那些演出中的任何一次都更糟糕,以至于演出
虽然只有8分钟,都让人觉得冗长的无法忍受。怪不得伦敦市长包里斯囧孙在那之前看
起来相当不爽-- 他一准是早就知道了接下来就要丢脸了。
    
  I have two tips for you, Boris. Keep your hands out of your pockets when
attending high-profile events like this, and secondly fire whoever
responsible for this fiasco and hire proper showbiz professionals – from
Las Vegas if necessary – to handle the opening and closing ceremonies in
2012. Another toe-curling embarrassment like this would be unendurable.
  波利斯(伦敦市长),俺有两个锦囊妙计贡献给你:一,在如此盛大高端的场合下
,丫儿地把手从你那兜兜里掏出来;二,赶紧炒了那个端出英国8分钟这么一锅垃圾的
责任人,2012年英国办开幕式闭幕式的时候一定要雇些演艺圈里的专业人员--万不得已
的时候从赌城拉斯维加斯找也成哪。咱谁也受不了到时候再来那么一出让人囧的脚趾头
都抽抽的尴尬演出!!

  The closing ceremony was, as expected, spectacular and beautiful.
  闭幕式就像想象中的那样壮观和美丽

  I have just finished watching the Closing ceremony of the Beijing
Olympics. I must say that it was an incredible show from the beginning to
the end. The whole event went on very smoothly. I agree with the IOC
chairman that these games have opened China to the world and the world to
China.
我刚刚看完北京奥运会的闭幕式。不得不说这是一场从头到尾都令人称奇的表演。整个
表演尽展的很顺利。我同意国际奥组委的说法“这个奥运会会让中国与世界互相沟通”

  Thank you family of China. Thank you Beijing 2008.
  We are all Children of the World and China have proved that to us.
  All of the Olympians deserve credit for all the dedication and effort.
It is the Greatest Show on Earth. With the best of the best. 2012 will be a
great test for GB and as one Nation what a great challenge for us.
  谢谢你中国,谢谢你北京2008
  我们都是世界之子,中国向我们证明了这个道理。
  所有选手的努力都是值得的。这是地球上最伟大的盛会。最中之最。2012对英国来
说是一个考研和挑战。
    
  Well done China on a fantastic organisation of the games which was
flawless and Team GB for their medal haul. Thank you China for putting the U
.S into second place.
  (注意看最后一句 --)    
  中国在赛会的组织上干的棒极了,梦幻一般的毫无瑕疵。英国选手也一样。谢谢你
,中国,你们让美国掉到第二的位置去了。
    
  Well done, China! You have given the world a magnificent Olympics
despite the efforts of the chattering classes in the Western media to
portray you as some Stalinist state.
  中国棒极了!你给了整个世界一个精彩绝伦的奥运会,与此同时西方媒体还在喋喋
不休的努力把你塑造成斯大林主义似的的国家。

  The female who hugged Yao Ming was Lauren Jackson, an Australia
basketball player playing in WNBA. After Yao entered NBA, there was rumor
she had a crush on Yao, but Yao turned her down. There were many gossip
about them.
  So, seeing them hugging at the closing ceremony really really made me
laugh, because 4 years ago, at the closing ceremony of Athens Olympic, Yao
and his girlfriend 'Ye Li' came out together and that was the first time
their relationship went public
(外国人也知道姚明的八卦啊)
  那个在闭幕式上拥抱姚明的女运动员是在WNBA打球的Lauren Jackson,当姚进入
NBA打球时,他们曾经发生过一段绯闻,但是姚拒绝了她>_<看到他们在闭幕式上拥抱真
是太好玩了,你知道四年前在雅典的闭幕式上,姚和他的女朋友叶莉第一次手牵手出现
在公众面前

  What was that red bus /umbrella garbage all about? What an embarrassment
for UK. It was not so much the pathetic handover performance that upset me,
but the arrogant, rude and disgraceful behavior of London’s mayor Boris
Johnson when attending the handover party in Bejing. Show some respect Mr BJ
! Beijing was a gracious host and deserves some praise at the handover.  
  Robert, Windsor
  TMD红色巴士和垃圾雨伞到底是虾米啊??!!真是给英国丢脸啊。从来没有比这
次可怜的交接仪式更雷到我的了。而那个伦敦市长Boris Johnson 在北京闭幕式的交接
仪式上无知、粗鲁和毫无尊重的表现更是丢人。给北京一点尊重吧!北京是个热情和蔼
的主人,在交接仪式上值得尊重!!

  Production of Global sporting superstars at the 2008 Beijing Games is
correct and will remain memorable. Yet, some of us tend to place focus on
matters of less importance and one wonders what is their ulterior motives.
All countries with high crime rates should learn from these recently
concluded games, and note that it is of high importance to develop the
youths sporting potential from a tender age, so that their high energy can
be burnt in the right direction and not in criminal activities.  
  Hollis N Hosein, Trinidad and Tobago -WI
  让北京举办地球上最盛大的体育盛会无疑是正确的,而且将会难以忘怀。我们中的
一些人光注意那些根本不重要的细节,而且还有人觉得他们(中国)是别有用心滴。
  所有高犯罪率的国家都应该从最近结束的奥运会学点什么,而且注意一下在豆蔻年
华就发掘青少年的潜力是很重要滴,让他们的精力在正确的方向燃烧,而不是在犯罪行
为上发光!

  8 minutes of total rubbish , What the hell are we playing at , That
whole bus thing and crazy people was a total sham , And as for the indian
girl representing the children of England well I have seen it all now . What
a mess , 2012 wont be a patch on this olympics.  
  sam, london
  8分钟是彻头彻尾的垃圾,我们TMD到底在表演什么啊?乱七八糟的巴士和疯子一样
的表演者简直丢脸丢大发鸟。而对于那个代表英国的印度女孩,简直看不下去了。什么
破玩意儿嘛。2012年伦敦根本不配举办奥运会!

  Well done China, well presented games, Boris came across well, showed we
have a good mayor, who knows what London has to do to ensure we put on a
good show, advice from those of us who are still British is dump most of the
things in the 8 minutes as they are not in tune with London/British values
or what people know us for, increase the use of the union flag as the
useless logo looks half useful in that guise! Boris has clearly been saddled
with Livingston’s leftie leftovers, dump them be bold!  
  [GlobalTemplar], Kingston upon Thames, United Kingdom
  中国,干得不错!是一场精心准备的奥运会,Boris的出现也还好,显示出我们有
多么优秀的一个市长啊,他知道伦敦应该做什么来显示我们可以举办好奥与会,我们这
些人的大多数根本不明白伦敦/英国价值的人的建议都在8分钟里面出现鸟,或者说让世
人对我们滴像一个没用的logo一样的联邦国旗又多了点印象。
  Boris清楚滴展示了一个左派份子的垃圾形象,我们打包把他倒掉吧!!
  (这段翻译得不好,这人反讽能力太强了,囧)

  It has been a long time that I felt embarrassed for 8 long minutes. I
really hope the organizers get there act together for the 2012 Olympics in
London, because whether we like it or not the Chinese did a wonderful job
from beginning to end. Whether true or false, let us hope the Red Arrows
will do a fly past at the opening ceremony in London because that will be
something worth watching, unless of course Boris has something up his sleeve
to surprise us all.  
  Rose, Bicester
  很长一段时间内,我都为我们的8分钟感到丢脸,我真心希望那些组织者去为了我
们的2012年伦敦奥运会,一起去那里(北京)看看,因为不管我们喜欢与否,中国人从
头到尾都做得非常棒。无论正确与否,让我们希望在伦敦开幕式前the Red Arrows(英
国红箭飞行表演队,在BBC开幕式的评论上就有英国人提到我们不会又上红箭吧,看来
英国果然只有红箭啊-_-)能够腾飞起来,只有那样,说不定才有点看头,除非Boris又
把他的手揣在兜里,来给我们所有人一个惊喜!

  In the London segment in the final countdown at the end of the Bejing
olypics was total rubbish. If that is the best we can do to portray
ourselves, then what will the rest of the world think. As a once great
country we are now behind the third world, Shame  
  Thomas Smith, Newcastle upon Tyne
  伦敦在北京奥运会上最后的表现简直是垃圾。如果那些就是我们最好的东西,世界
上其他人会怎么看??一个曾经伟大的国家,如今却还不如第三世界,丢脸!!!

  There is one word for the "London 2012" presentation at the Beijing
Olympic closing ceremony...naff !
  This includes Boris Johnson who looked as though he is in need of a
decent tailor. It would help if he buttoned up his jacket. He looked like a
4th form schoolboy.
  The Chinese show was magnificent. Our athletes were brilliant.  
  Delewar, Colchester
  只能用一个词来形容代表“伦敦2012”在北京奥运会闭幕式上的表现---白开水!
  这其中包括咱们的市长大人Boris Johnson ,他看起来需要一个体面的形象顾问,
如果他把扣子扣上,看起来也不会那么囧,他看起来像一个4年级的中学生!
  中国的闭幕式非常恢宏壮观,我们的运动员们也优秀。

  The closing ceremony was just fine apart from the British bit which was
simply atrocious!
  Why did we have some prehistoric rock guitarist and a talent show winner
miming to some abysmal sound track? What has David Beckham got to do with
the Olympics? Hardly portrays a young, vibrant and exciting vision of what
the 2012 games might offer.
  If this is an example of how good London's Olympics is going to be, then
perhaps Boris should ask the Chinese to keep the Olympic flame in Beijing.
  
  [BirdGirlsCanFly]
  除去英国糟糕透顶的表演部分,闭幕式还是不错滴。
  为什么我们要找一些过气的摇滚吉他手和糟透的选秀歌手来刺激我们??贝克汉姆
掺和在奥运会中做什么??我们几乎不能展现2012年伦敦可能提供的一个年轻、有活力
和令人兴奋的印象。
  如果这是伦敦奥运会将会展现出来的样子,也许Boris先生应该叫中国人把奥运会
旗留在北京!

  The Beijing to London handover shows how ill equipped we are to deal
with an event of this scale.
  Compared to spectacular displays by the Chinese, our offering is a
pathetic embarrassment.
  The 2012 Party belongs on Blue Peter and was on par with an end of term
school show: Scouting for Girls destroying London’s Calling; Morrisons’
theme tune by Last Choir Standing and The Feeling playing with no feeling at
all.
  Is this all Britain has to offer?  
  Helen, Liverpool
  北京-伦敦交接仪式显示出我们对应对这种盛大场合是多么的囧啊。
  相比中国华丽恢宏的闭幕式,我们的表演简直是去丢脸滴!
  2012年的开幕式应该是以Blue Peter 为主吧,而闭幕式会以中学毕业晚会的形式
来搞:调戏女孩子的声音毁坏伦敦的通讯;合唱团唱Morrisons的诗歌腔调;唯一的感
觉就是没有感觉。
  这就是英国能够提供的????

  I see censorship and control by the state-owned media continues.
  Where is the report on the BBC website of the celebrations in the
Olympic borough of Waltham Forest being canceled because of yet another
knife murder, this time yards away from where the choir was supposed to sing
to the cheering happy crowds in Walthamstow, who instead were replaced by
the police investigating a crime scene.
  You couldn’t make it up. You really are a Ministry of Truth.    
  humble scholar, London, United Kingdom
  我发现国有媒体的管制和审查制度还在继续啊。
  BBC上关于Waltham Forest区庆祝奥运的评论都到哪里去了?因为另外一个持刀杀
人犯就被河蟹鸟??那里的合唱团这段时间都应该在庆祝Walthamstow狂欢的人群吧?
那可是被警察调查出来的犯罪情景啊。
  你们没必要编造,你们真的是真相的终结者!
  (民主自由的英国BBC的留言其实也是要审核的,国内的民猪精蝇们震惊、失望鸟)

  The Chinese showed their rich heritage and history in a dignified and
beautiful performance.
  Us? We showed just what a farce 2012 will be.
  Our country's heritage (prior to the last government!) is one to be
proud of. We have customs and a richer history than many others. So why are
we showing a logo from the 70's (I'm a designer, it's shocking!) and a
display of ageing rock, one-hit wonders, chavs and only modern London?
  I'm proud to be English, but in 2012? I may be moving...  
  Angela, Chesterfield
  中国人以一种高贵和美仑美焕的演出,展现了他们最辉煌的历史和灿烂的文化.
  我们呢??我们却只显示了2012年一场闹剧.
  我们国家的历史文化值得我们每个人骄傲,我们有着比世界上其他任何国家都丰富
的习俗和历史.那我们为什么却要拿出一个70年代的logo(我是个设计师,太雷人了
!)和过时的摇滚blabla的东西,以及现代的伦敦来秀??
  作为英国人我很骄傲,但是对于2012??我可能会搬走.....

  Lets hope the UK can match the chinese games with same character and
skill! Well its all up to Boris now and his management capabillities!! We
know our athletes are capable!! Mind you he has on hell of a job to beat!!  
  [newtried], maidenhead, United Kingdom
  让我们期待国家能够整出和中国的表演和技术相媲美的奥运会吧.当然现在这都要
看Boris的管理能力了!!我们都知道我们的运动员都有这个能力!!希望他能小宇宙
大爆发!

  Why couldn't the BBC TV commentators just shut up when there is music on
the screen? They did the same stupid thing at the opening and once again
today. The TV is there for us to WATCH and when the music is on why give
commentary? Also so much about history and the meaning of this and the
meaning of that and the symbolism of this and that. For Heavans sake WHY did
they not just shut up and let us listen to the music, to the drums and all
that was happening. This was a disastrous coverage.  
  Hercules, London
  BBC电视播音员能不能在音乐响起的时候闭上他的乌鸦嘴??他们今天又和开幕
式的时候一样犯了同样的错误.音乐响器的时候,电视是给我们"看"的,为什么在那
里JJWW说个不停??
  太多太多关于历史的评论了,一会儿这个是什么,一会儿那个是什么,这个代表什
么,那个象征什么.有完没完!!
  上帝啊,为什么他们不闭上臭嘴让我们好好聆听这音乐,鼓声以及所有的一切?这
场报道真TMD恶心

  606: "A beautifully organised Games all around, then Boris appears,
jacket undone, looking like a drunk who gatecrashed the party, what an
embarrassment."
  一场有条不紊的庆祝仪式华美进行中,这时boris(伦敦市长)像个醉汉一样敞着
领子突然闯了进来,真他妈令人尴尬。
  
  AND HERE'S BECKS! AND A WOMAN IN A RUNNING OUTFIT PLAYING A VIOLIN!
Becks boots a ball into the crowd... just the one, and it doesn't quite make
the crowd... a couple of officials have a bit of a scrabble over it... and
that's that, London's eight minutes are up... what to make of that?
  小贝出来了!还有在跑动人群中拉小提琴的女人。小贝将一个足球踢向人群。。。
只有一个,没有引起太大的骚动。。。两个工作人员乱扒了一通。。。就这些,伦敦八
分钟结束了。。。谁明白这是想表达什么意思吗?



看到的搞笑中国评论:
大巴士开进来的时候我就猜,难道装了一车的恐怖分子,然后突然冲下来,端着机枪一
阵突突突突~~~体坛至少50年内不能恢复元气!后来,证明我错了,因为被雷了!!比
突突突突还恐怖,是齐齐苦苦齐齐苦苦,变形金刚

后面回这个评论的:
这位兄台,英雄所见略同啊
不过我更阴暗一些,觉得那些人拿的都是超级牛掰的远距离攻击武器,直扫主席台。。

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作者: Armstrong     时间: 2008-8-25 17:04


引用:
Originally posted by luhua at 2008-8-25 08:03 PM:
转载

发信人: garfield123 (加菲), 信区: Olympics
标 题: 伦敦8分钟,英国人在BBC上的留言,开骂~~~~~~~~~
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Aug 25 14:26:48 2008)

  Oh my the Chinese will be a hard a..

WOW,是开、闭幕式的华丽震撼了大不列颠王国的子民,还是日不落以后的没落效应?
抑或是他们看到了红太阳从东方冉冉升起以后的恐慌心理的反应?

或者这是中国人常说的“隔锅饭香”?难怪有人要红杏出墙,还有人说,老婆是别人的
好。。。
作者: xzhao2     时间: 2008-8-26 10:17
陶杰:八分清浅

闭幕礼伦敦亮的一套,一切从简,不跟中国斗华丽,一架红巴士,十多个男女,有中年人、小孩、坐轮椅的老人,撑灰伞,暗喻伦敦的阴雨天气,乘单车、赶巴士,很平常的一幅歌舞图。

用大制作刺激视觉,不如小本经营心思。华语电影的出路,许多人说过,不要跟荷里活斗,应走欧洲路线:人情小品,以小让大,以浅见深──当年的苏联,就是不知好歹,跟美国斗花钱军备竞赛,结果被美国拖垮,历史的悲剧经常重複,因为这个世界有太多人。

清代的杂学家李渔就说:“即在饮食居处之内,布帛菽粟之间,尽有事之极奇,情之极艳”,与法国的狄德罗所见略同:“艺术就是在平凡中找到不平凡的东西”,李渔定论:“凡说人情物理者,千古相传;凡涉荒唐怪异者,当日即朽”。荷里活的大制作,什么天魔特攻、蝙蝠侠、盗墓迷城,皆属“涉荒唐怪异者”,在全世界赚够电脑打机族观众的钱之后,“当日即朽”,今天世界影评人选出来的百年佳作,还是《摩登时代》和《北非谍影》。

奥运闭幕礼,伦敦预告,正是由绚烂之极,归於平淡。伦敦市长尊逊与北京的同行一起出场,身形肥胖,一脸嘻笑,一件西装上衣只扣一颗钮,一面走,一面向两旁的观众“手指指”。有愤青即时开骂:这个人的态度“不严肃”,对大会“不够礼貌”。

但在一众脸孔胶绷的官僚中,唯有这位背影像当年肥彭的市长,才最像一个凡人。奥运不是祭神的圣典,也不是殡仪,只是一场游戏,游戏不须要时时严肃。这个肥仔,在等待接旗的时候,一脸天真,像等收到传过来的一盒朱古力,这就对了,看到这,如果阁下觉得吃惊,不是他的错,是习惯了三星期的色彩排场,一时未能适应,是你有问题。不适当的严肃,是一种传染病,“严肃”之下,幽默谐趣的花草不茂,极权高压的细菌滋生。严肃的人,揹莫名其妙的包袱,自己活得痛苦,也想别人跟他一起受罪。凡事都讲深奥的人,必是严肃的信徒,活泼轻盈,追求浅白的奇趣,才是创作的高手。

看见伦敦市长那副没正经的样子,有人觉得他“不够庄重”,正如一九九一年彭定康来出任港督,不穿礼服,不戴鸵鸟毛的殖民地官帽,不持佩剑,只穿一套灰西装,也有许多人觉得不习惯,觉得“堂堂港督”,应该庄重点,后来肥彭喝凉茶、吃蛋挞,引起哄动,今天,香港的特首也抄仿这一套,也见怪不怪了。

伦敦的预告八分钟,一众跃动上巴士的演员,没有俊男美女,也是所谓群众,但不是机器的螺丝钉,像一群有生气的活人,这就是李渔说的“人情物理”,人情在物理之先,生命凌驾机器,伦敦八分钟不是太Spectacular,但一样精采,而何谓精采,视乎一个社会“人”的定义是什么。
作者: luhua     时间: 2008-8-26 10:47


引用:
Originally posted by xzhao2 at 2008-8-26 03:17 PM:
陶杰:八分清浅

闭幕礼伦敦亮的一套,一切从简,不跟中国斗华丽,一架红巴士,十多个男女,有中年人、小孩、坐轮椅的老人,撑灰伞,暗喻伦敦的阴雨天气,乘单车、赶巴士,很平常的一幅歌舞图。

用大制作刺激..

坛子里的美女作家表达不同意见的时候也是淑女模样.  本人没有那个耐心或高雅.  一句话,上面这种捧臭脚的东东,不贴也罢. 夸别人可别损自己, 否则就有点太不把自己当回事了. 自嘲可以,犯贱(原谅我用词强烈)就是另一码了.
作者: 更其     时间: 2008-8-26 13:08
嗨,luhua ,很遗憾,我还蛮欣赏陶杰的《八分清浅》,看完的时候,忍不住心里赞了一回,记得当时看闭幕式时,对导演就很不满。

现代的舞台剧里,还有谁会靠军乐团式的操练来评判艺术品位呀?陶杰挺敏锐的,好莱坞模式的煽情与大团圆式叙事,与欧洲电影对人性的微妙真实表现,对先锋电影的实验,在境界上差得天远地远,中国电影,也走大片路线,却更差(暂时)。我们还没有自己的戈达尔、法斯宾德、伯格曼。。。

张导目前领悟到如何同时满足商业口味和领导口味,才有机会立于不败之地,要说成就,还是不提也罢。从他的电影和他的想法来看,他的舞台表演能怎样,还是可以想象的,虽这样,我还是觉得他有了不起的地方,中国文化结合了一些现代思维和高科技。我想,陶杰只是说出了他的想法,有讽刺,但不恶毒。

我只是不喜欢他为伦敦市长开脱,在什么场合总要得体才好,就像在该穿西装的场合穿仔裤,就不合适。拿不雅当个性,没有必要。
作者: luhua     时间: 2008-8-26 15:40


引用:
Originally posted by 更其 at 2008-8-26 06:08 PM:
嗨,luhua ,很遗憾,我还蛮欣赏陶杰的《八分清浅》,看完的时候,忍不住心里赞了一回,记得当时看闭幕式时,对导演就很不满。

现代的舞台剧里,还有谁会靠军乐团式的操练来评判艺术品位呀?陶杰挺敏锐的,好莱..

回更其,说实在的, 我也不是针对陶杰的这篇东东, 而是厌恶一种仰人鼻息,自贬形象, 尊严的丑态。一个国际都市的市长没有一点最起码的etiquette, 就他个人来说是粗鄙,对于他代表的国家来说是有失礼仪, 偏偏被捧臭脚的赞为平民做派。

给大家一个链接, 看看英国人自己都鄙视的东东是如何让某些“忧国忧民”的海外文人推崇的。

http://news.wenxuecity.com/messages/200808/news-gb2312-687863.html
作者: 胡拉     时间: 2008-8-26 16:02
没有看到那个八分钟好在哪里,学导演的学生都能搞。
作者: 更其     时间: 2008-8-26 20:11


引用:
Originally posted by 胡拉 at 2008-8-26 09:02 PM:
没有看到那个八分钟好在哪里,学导演的学生都能搞。

胡拉,如果真是学导演的学生都能搞,那最好不过了,说明我们的电影、舞台剧有希望~。伦敦八分钟也不是以"我能搞出来,你搞不出来"为目标,只是展示给世界伦敦的特色和文化,用平常人的生活和平常街景作为素材,人们有时会把简洁当作简陋来看待,其实不然,他们为了这8分钟,据说每分钟大概花了25万英镑。看不出来吧?要我们,早堆头上、身上了。表面看上去容易,真轮到学导演的学生来搞,可能还不容易这样“清淡”,一想到国家、面子、领导,思路又会转回老路上,至少不出错,在中国平庸总比特殊容易让人原谅~

不过有趣的是,英媒对8分钟的批评比较多,大概都希望自家的东东能“震”住别人吧。
作者: 胡拉     时间: 2008-8-26 20:49
人是难伺候的  ....
如果中国的张导演就花25万搞台戏,你们又要骂他了  .....

这片子像学生的期末作业,导演水平跟张不是一个等级的。
你让北影的学生去试试?
作者: 更其     时间: 2008-8-26 21:03
哦?怎么说“导演水平跟张不是一个等级的”呢?
我不太明白,这个“等级”是怎么算的,真。
整个8分钟都很流畅,从虚拟到现实,
场景、人物、情节、高潮,
我觉得这种叙述安排得不错,
巴士和自行车的移动也使画面富有动感,
从流动的巴士向静态小舞台的变形,
自然把故事推向高潮,
想传达的信息,都在一气呵成中传达出来了,
对比张的“雅典8分钟”,我更欣赏这种真实,
张的导演观念,我不想恭维。

“你让北影的学生去试试?”这个没操作性,
而且期末作业,能做成这样,挺好的。
但没法验证的东西,不提也罢。
作者: 文取心     时间: 2008-8-26 21:07
开始喜欢更其了。
作者: 如梦     时间: 2008-8-26 21:22
闭幕式没有看全,因为正好有电话进来。只是看到Led Zepelin表演那一段,觉得和前面的团体操比起来,很有个性,有耳目一新的感觉。只是他们唱的歌也印象不深。




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