中夜不寐偶得

浮世千山过，灵台一水流
梯天敢为信，驭日犹自求
虹生绝海潮，车来邀神游
悟到经注我，燃灯照九州

慢牛，

还是多写新诗好，象大诗人那样。 俺记得你写新诗很好，受到大家的赞扬。

古诗没有新诗好懂，不好把握，不能欣赏。

“燃灯照九州”这境界比较高。

谢分享。

好的。 谢谢鼓励。我是觉得自己的新诗尤其不好。大诗人是谁啊？看来你要引见一下了。

大诗人李兆阳。他的新诗是一绝，而且有自己的新诗理论。看下面LINK。

http://yidian.org/articlelist.php?uid=266


俺是有小说要写，不然的话，写写新诗还可以。不过写诗还得有天分，俺总感到自己不足。在诗人面前，俺那点诗的念头都给吓退了，发誓不再写中文诗。幸好俺还有英文诗这个后路，不时用来反思，排忧一下。

看来失眠也有好处，竟能“偶得”这么好的诗篇。看来俺也要失眠几回才能写出好诗来。

"浮世千山过，灵台一水流"
颇有禅意。

“虹生绝海潮”，好。
“车来邀神游”，嗯。。。 好象有改的余地。

古体诗自有其妙处。 含蓄深沉。

潘越雲 - 浮生千山路
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFU-xlOvBMg

多谢东风。你真的是东风。好！

好不容易来了能评古诗的朋友。俺心有余而力不足啊。

俺在家，LD 叫俺“东风”。你知道为什么？因为比如要出去，总是全家人都准备好了，只欠东风---这个东风就是俺。哈哈哈～～～

一笑。 再祝你们新年好！另外，醉兄有闲，可以帮忙改诗。先谢过了。。。

忍忍，我真心谢谢你的介绍。

忍忍热情。 多谢了！  本醉同“东风”MM 握手。  ：）
还是你闲地的头像雅致。 ：）

问Immanuel 诗人好！
本醉喜爱古诗，读得来改不来。  特意进来同忍MM 抬杠的。：）

抬杠就抬杠，俺喜欢抬杠。

俺一般不喜欢和MM们抬。

醉兄倒是可以。

慢牛，

问个问题。

如果一个笃信上帝的人是科学家，那么他的宗教与他的思考，工作是不是互相干扰？也就是说，他还以科学的态度对待人生吗？

RenRen, I will post something here to answer your question:

Dream by Wayne Mitchell
Monday, January 4, 2010



I was dreaming of being taken down through a tunnel by these angels. We came to a place where anti-matter dwells, they told me. Anti-matter? This is what I was given to understand, and they showed me things I didn’t understand, but they showed me them in ways that my mind could perceive their facts. I still don’t know the purposes, but God alone knows what they are and what they will be.

I saw many areas down below as we passed through the tunnel to a whole different reality or place. There were many areas, or rooms, or separations, where different types of anti-matter dwelled or where they resided in their individual states.

In one place, I saw fire with no heat. It was real flames, but with no heat of it’s own. It seemed like it had no energy or life in it to produce warmth, I thought to myself. How can energy not produce heat or energy? How can fire be opposite from itself?

In another place I saw wind blowing but it had no voice. I don’t know how I could see the wind, but I could. It was a wonder, and I thought, how can I perceive it even if it has no voice or sound? Yet, I could. I knew it was moving and that it was there even though it had no sound. It was like it’s existence and it’s reality flowed in a different way down here.

In another place, I saw water that looked like it had no substance, or quality. It is hard to describe what I saw. It was hard to put it into words, as I don’t have a scientific background or a learning base to measure these things with. But this water, seemed only a shadow of the true water we use on earth. It was like it was it’s opposite down here. It seemed flat and lifeless, like it’s molecules were not correctly put together.

In another place, I saw light that was not bending, refracting, reflecting, or anything. It just seemed to be there. It was not the same light that we have in our daily lives, it seemed to be different in it’s substance too. It felt empty to me as I looked around in it. It felt like empty light. I don’t even know if that is possible. But I am trying to relate what I saw. I felt alone and cold here. We moved on to other areas.


Now check out this article in BBC:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8444038.stm

The man-imposed thesis of dividing "Science" from Bibilical and spiritual revelations is only a "modern" thought.

Sir Newton devoted many precious decades of his life time in studying bibilical prophecy after he discovered the law of gravity, which is side-fruit of his study of the Pyramid (I might not be accurate with this...)

Look into the history of science, it is for the most of time deemed and indeed had branched out as the study of God in the physical realm. It is a "morden man" myth that God opposes science and the rudimentary principles of it...

In this light, I hold certain philosopher's theory of science as foolishness, they do not know the creator, how could they know His ways by merely observe the visible?

Sun, moon and stars govern our time and seasons. Why? How? Is there a hidden language? Yes, every culture produces its own science by observing these, even our own.

今早晨，神对我提到孔夫子之"五十而知天命"和中国人"各安天命"的伦理人生观之间的关系。  

天有命，故人有命，然而天人之道多有芜杂，渐失本原。无心无诚，何以格致？

忍忍有此问，所以有此答：我曾是坚信科学和物质现实的人，直到上下求索而不得真理，潦倒绝望中，神跟我交谈才恍然明悟。

忍忍，我不说我不知道的事。你知道我也不是一个道学和严苛的人；不过斯事，关乎性命，不敢不珍重叮嘱你。

西方宗教和神学，多是芜杂虚妄，也不可轻信。 然而，这些不能代表创造万物-包括你我生命-的神。

I won't say a lot here. If you like, we can exchange our thoughts privately.

Love....

慢牛，

你想 convert 俺几乎是不可能的。俺对宗教没兴趣，也没时间。在你前面已经有很多人试了，都失败了。俺最好的一个朋友试了好几年，最后我们为此事分了手。

俺主要是想问一问宗教和职业的关系。

I do not want to convert you, my dearest friend. I hate the word. I want to share my perspective with you and my life, if you allow me...

I prayed how to answer you and face your question. Now I just receive an email from a friend minutes ago. Here is the content, I feel led to share it with you.

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God vs. Science


'Let me explain the problem science has with religion.'

The atheist professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks one of his new students to stand.

You're a Christian, aren't you, son?'

'Yes sir,' the student says.

'So you believe in God?'

'Absolutely. '

'Is God good?'

'Sure! God's good.'

'Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?'

'Yes'

'Are you good or evil?'

'The Bible says I'm evil.'

The professor grins knowingly.. 'Aha! The Bible! He considers for a moment. 'Here's one for you. Let's say there's a sick person over here and you can cure him. You can do it. Would you help him? Would you try?'

'Yes sir, I would.'

'So you're good....!'

'I wouldn't say that.'

'But why not say that? You'd help a sick and maimed person if you could. Most of us would if we could. But God doesn't.'

The student does not answer, so the professor continues. 'He doesn't, does he? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer, even though he prayed to Jesus to heal him. How is this Jesus good? Can you answer that one?'

The student remains silent. 'No, you can't, can you?' the professor says. He takes a sip of water from a glass on his desk to give the student time to relax. 'Let's start again, young fella. Is God good?'

Er…yes,' the student says.

'Is Satan good?'

The student doesn't hesitate on this one. 'No.'

'Then where does Satan come from?'

The student falters. 'From God'

'That's right. God made Satan, didn't he? Tell me, son. Is there evil in this world?'

'Yes, sir..'

'Evil's everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything, correct?'

'Yes'

'So who created evil?' The professor continued, 'If God created everything, then God created evil, since evil exists, and according to the principle that our works define who we are, then God is evil.'

Again, the student has no answer. 'Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things, do they exist in this world?'

The student squirms on his feet. 'Yes.'

'So who created them?'

The student does not answer again, so the professor repeats his question. 'Who created them?' There is still no answer. Suddenly the lecturer breaks away to pace in front of the classroom. The class is mesmerized. 'Tell me,' he continues onto another student. 'Do you believe in Jesus Christ, son?'

The student's voice betrays him and cracks. 'Yes, professor, I do.'

The old man stops pacing. 'Science says you have five senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Have you ever seen Jesus?'

'No sir.. I've never seen Him..'

'Then tell us if you've ever heard your Jesus?'

'No, sir, I have not…'

'Have you ever felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelt your Jesus? Have you ever had any sensory perception of Jesus Christ, or God for that matter?'

'No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't.'

'Yet you still believe in him?'

'Yes'

'According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your God doesn't exist... What do you say to that, son?'

'Nothing,' the student replies… 'I only have my faith.'

'Yes, faith,' the professor repeats. 'And that is the problem science has with God.. There is no evidence, only faith.'

The student stands quietly for a moment, before asking a question of His own. 'Professor, is there such thing as heat? '

’Yes.’

'And is there such a thing as cold?'

'Yes, son, there's cold too.'

'No sir, there isn't.'



The professor turns to face the student, obviously interested. The room suddenly becomes very quiet. The student begins to explain.



'You can have lots of heat, even more heat, super-heat, mega-heat, unlimited heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat, but we don't have anything called 'cold'. We can hit down to 458 degrees below zero, which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold; otherwise we would be able to go colder than the lowest -458 degrees. Every body or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit energy. Absolute zero (-458 F) is the total absence of heat. You see, sir, cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat we can measure in thermal units because heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.'



Silence across the room. A pen drops somewhere in the classroom, sounding like a hammer.

'What about darkness, professor. Is there such a thing as darkness?'

'Yes,' the professor replies without hesitation… 'What is night if it isn't darkness?'

'You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something; it is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light, but if you have no light constantly you have nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it? That's the meaning we use to define the word. In reality, darkness isn't. If it were, you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?'

The professor begins to smile at the student in front of him. This will be a good semester. 'So what point are you making, young man?'

'Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed to start with, and so your conclusion must also be flawed.'

The professor's face cannot hide his surprise this time. 'Flawed? Can you explain how?'



'You are working on the premise of duality,' the student explains.. 'You argue that there is life and then there's death; a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought.' 'It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life, just the absence of it.' 'Now tell me, professor.. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?'

'If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young man, yes, of course I do.'

'Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?'

The professor begins to shake his head, still smiling, as he realizes where the argument is going. A very good semester, indeed..



'Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist, but a preacher?'



The class is in uproar. The student remains silent until the commotion has subsided.

'To continue the point you were making earlier to the other student, let me give you an example of what I mean.' The student looks around the room. 'Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the professor's brain?' The class breaks out into laughter. 'Is there anyone here who has ever heard the professor's brain, felt the professor's brain, touched or smelt the professor's brain? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, with all due respect, sir..' 'So if science says you have no brain, how can we trust your lectures, sir?'



Now the room is silent. The professor just stares at the student, his face unreadable. Finally, after what seems an eternity, the old man answers. 'I Guess you'll have to take them on faith.'

'Now, you accept that there is faith, and, in fact, faith exists with life,' the student continues. 'Now, sir, is there such a thing as evil?'

Now uncertain, the professor responds, 'Of course, there is. We see it everyday. It is in the daily example of man's inhumanity to man. It is in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world. These manifestations are nothing else but evil.'



To this the student replied, 'Evil does not exist sir, or at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart. It's like the cold that comes when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when there is no light.'



The professor sat down.

  
If you read it all the way through and had a smile on your face when you finished, mail to your friends and family with the title 'God vs. Science'


PS: the student was Albert Einstein

Albert Einstein wrote a book titled God vs. Science in 1921.
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RenRen, I think Albert and many other scientists knew a bit the answer to your particular question of how to appropriate one's career as a scientist with his/her faith in God. For many, faith is, again, a personal matter, might not be good for discussion. It seems to be a sensitive topic, for me in particular. I do not want anyone who do not know or care for me to "convert" me into their opinions or ideas. And I am very sorry to hear that your friendship was disturbed because others imposed their perspectives on you. Do know that I never intended to do that. Obviously I misunderstood your question here, I apologize.

BTW, have you heard that Einstein saw a wheel in the sky and then his E=Mc2 revelation began...You know alot about science. Can you expound on that story?  I'd better leave that to your expertise.  

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(Only after reply you here, I read your message...Allow me to keep above as a record...Love.)